WTS 60 day time card... WTS 90 day time card?

Changes don't always have to remove something, or add something to significantly effect the game or value of assets.

Some would argue the recent ISBoxer changes will significantly hurt their bottom line. Need more examples?

I remember 2008 when 1 month GTC's where 230-250

Funny http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0801/GTC-1-02-08.zip (Posted - 2007.12.18)

You willing to put everything you worked for in this game, possibly even real life cash up to the support the belief that PLEX will be around forever and CCP doesn't ever mess with the market of the most secretive item in it's history? OK, have fun.!

ITT: Elizabeth Norm trying desperately to keep the value of her Plex hording up.

I and others have explained all those reasons, but yet you want citation. Even the goons wrote about this back in July and after the CSM8 discussion on Plex. They said it then, most plex are consumed by accounts, however a lot of oversupply is sitting in hangers as investments, and that number has increased.

Overall demand for Plex has been steadily dropping and the amount purchased from CCP has increased but the price still went up. Dr. EyjoG explained that speculators had driven up the price and did it with the massive influx of Incursion and FW isk.

Also: "The final discussion point turned to PLEX. The graph very clearly showed both the FW driven spike and intervention by CCP - no further intervention has occurred since. EyjoG confirmed that their goal with plex is to prevent dramatic changes. Their preferred metric is PLEX price divided by subscriptions - maintaining a particular price is not a concern."

It was confirmed that CCP used banned accounts storage of Plex to seed the market at the end of last year and into this year.

Again, you cannot control the supply of Plex, if CCP magically decides the price is too high it drops it on it's own through Sales and Seeds.

You cannot control Utility. Plex is used for many things now, but that isn't always going to be the case. Trit is always used for ship and mod building until day this game ends. Some things have changed over time (pos fuel) but Plex is the only one that crosses RL and InG boundaries.

And we aren't in deflation yet... more like Stagnation: http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65910/1/Indices_2014-02.png
Keep trying Liz... those blocking orders at 770 were gobbled up quick. 768 new block but only one set of 50 left.

Yep I did mistype that one time, The quoted post, the quoted post when I responded, the initial post all were stagnation.

Anyways, does this detract from the fact that Jita is lone prop up of the cost of Plex? All of Eve just dropped to 771 again, so the attempt to holdup the price is starting to crumble.


There are some very wealthy people trying to keep this price up. I think they just don't like me

Anyways, I am signing off, too much hate and I don't benefit from voicing my opinion. And that is all this is, opinion. No one knows the future.

this thread blows me away :| kind of typifies the recent plex sale thingy.

Also on the ISboxer thing, i saw a dude in jita with ~50 abbadons shooting the statue, was an obs multiboxer.

i never realised how many ppl actually multibox using that thing untill i saw that.

that 1 guy alone, is 50 plex a month of demand gone. will we see less "plex sales" now? who knows....

thread belongs to toad tho, sorry for interupting your worship

*bows*

*nervously walks out*

To follow up on this, here's what I would guess caused the player creation spikes in 2014.

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

The first and biggest around 2014-02-01 is undoubtedly B-R5RB. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodbath_of_B-R5RB

The next is on 2014-05-04 was likely Fanfest which was from the 1st to 3rd of May. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrKlYEsGvvw

Not sure about the one on 2014-05-25.

The spike on 2014-07-2014 could be due to an article PC Gamer. http://www.pcgamer.com/project-legion-first-look/

The last big one I can be bothered to find is 2014-11-23 and I'm going to guess it's thanks to "This is EVE". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfFnTt2UT0

So unless there was a massively popular ISBoxing video released at the end of May I don't think that any of the spikes of new character creations were hundreds of people creating tens of alts in order to multibox. I've also heard that people who joined due to big battles didn't stick around for long, so probably didn't consume or create many PLEX anyway.

No I can assure you it isn't. In fact I would be very careful in this market as the average trade volumes are far far below the average for its price. We are seeing Jita volumes around 2400 units when they should be 3000. So either supply fell perfectly with the drop in demand or something is about to happen to the market.

I think they should go one step farther. Remove PLEX, period. You turn in AUR, you get game time. Also, allow players to trade AUR for ISK with each other. Then, instead of having PLEX price threads, we will have AUR price threads.

Other changes CCP would have to make for this to work:

AUR would have to go back to being a per pilot thing, not a per account thing. It would become another number in your wallet.

The market for exchanging ISK and AUR would have to be a special Eve wide market, not one limited to what station you are in. After all AUR is a number in your wallet, not an item. Such an eve wide market would be useful for other things, like a stock market (After all, stock is just a number in your wallet too.)

The disadvantage is: No more kills of frigates carrying 80 PLEX.

Now about the PLEX price: I noticed it dropping over the weekend. It seems odd it would be dropping. No PLEX sale, some extra demand due to FanFest, yet it is dropping. Are we entering a new era? Maybe the multi-cast ban rules are beginning to really bite? Or is it just a little glitch in the ever upward market?

I bypass the launcher, so sometimes I miss these. When did it start?

Smart traders sell PLEX before they become useless pixel item, due to AUR changes you mentioned.

Stop the stockpile and manipulation... allow for dynamic pricing controlled by CCP

We have enough economy rigging in RL.

Let's allow a true, capitalistic economy exist, at least in a fictional game, shall we?

There is 12 sell orders in Jita with price under 800 milions atm. And median price keep falling even quicker. PLEX price is droping, several months in a raw already, despite all smart talks about "economy implosion". Simply because PLEX is bound to real money. It is not some virtual pixel item, it is a bit more, than part of Eve economy. CCP loses money on high PLEX price and they want their money back.

Kind of sucks to know, that the world econy is in the hand of one or two man, who can do with PLEX whatever they want to do. Right now they are happy with 800 milions, tommorrow it will be 900 if they decide to. And you can not do anything about this...

Why would you want to sell 4000 PLEX? What would you do with the ISK? Unless you are doing some sort of massive speculation (in which case you can profitably sell to buy orders) there's no reason to sell. PLEX are by far the best long term store of value in EVE. ISK has inflated significantly (as shown by the price of minerals and the price of PLEX). PLEX, on the other hand, are worth $15 for as long as EVE is worth playing.

You expect PLEX to move back to "normal" but the long run trend in PLEX in nowhere but up, simply because every day it gets a bit easier to make ISK in EVE, but not much easier to make $15.

OMG That stupid Toady guy was right!



From Day One of the CSM... no more buying Plex on the market, they want us to use AUR instead.

An interesting suggestion, which I'd like to respond to in detail.

First off, I would like to make it clear that I am in the opposing school of thought. I'll give you a little background about me so that you can understand where I am coming from and maybe get a little insight into someone who plays the game differently to you.

I like alts, I have lots of them, I always have had lots of them and I doubt I would play EVE at all if I could not continue to have lots of them. For me, EVE is an RTS or party-based RPG game, and I use my alt army as a team to achieve my goals. This makes the game interesting for me and helps compensate for many of the game's shortcomings in depth, engagement and useability.

I will take this opportunity to point out that I have never used ISBOXER or any similar tool. I started out using one PC with one screen, alt-tabbing between clients. I moved to dual screens. Then two PCs with four screens. Then three PCs with six screens. Throughout this period I was using a separate keyboard and mouse for each PC.

I then discovered the Microsoft Garage tool, "Mouse Without Borders" and was able to replace three keyboards and mice on my desk with only one. The single set of input devices could be used to control all three PCs, as if they were one PC with a massive desktop, no input multipexing was used and every click and keypress was made by me on each client separately. This allowed me to reduce the size of my desk a great deal, which was a godsend for my console collection which has been fighting my PC for space in my room for many years.

I then replaced all three PCs with one eight-core machine with three video cards, hosting six screens.

The largest number of accounts I have used effectively at once is 20. The largest number of accounts I've had subbed is somewhere in the mid-20s. I currently have only 8, because I've reduced my investment in EVE and reduced my playtime as a result of CCP's disastrous customer service performance and the draw of other games on my limited time.

I paid for all my accounts on my credit card for many, many years, long after I had enough ISK income to painlessly support them all on PLEX. I finally made the switch to PLEX supporting my entire account set after I retired from my career in IT and had to make some tough decisions about how I used my money going forward.

I feel that my play style is just as valid as your single account play style. I feel that each player should do what works for them, provided they remain within the rules. However, I do not believe that all players will respect the rules if there are ways to circumvent them.

If a one account limit was placed on the game, I would simply quit, along with many other players. However, many other serious multi-boxers who are not as rule abiding as I am would use software and networking tools to circumvent the one account limit and proceed as if nothing had changed. The people who would suffer most, other than CCP (from the lost income) would be those that just run two accounts on one PC. For extreme multi-boxers it would just be a minor bump in the road, but for casual multi-boxers it could ruin their game experience or force them in to rule-breaking behavior which may be the start of a slipperly slope.

For those that will read this massive tract of text and say: why don't you just play with other people. I'll point out that I do personally prefer to play with others, I have been or still am a prolific FC, a CEO of many player corps, an alliance leader, Alliance Tournament captain, I spent about three years flying with Pandemic Legion and many more years (I lose count) with HYDRA RELOADED and other PvP focused groups. I don't just (or indeed ever) sit with 20 hulks mining solo in some dead end 0.0 system farming to pay for my PLEX (not that there is anything wrong with that if you enjoy that kind of thing).

So TLDR:

1. A limit would not be enforceable, it would be trivial to circumvent for anyone who cares to.
2. You should not underestimate the lengths that some people will go to in order to play the game the way they want to.
3. It would be terrible for CCP to do this, from both a financial and customer service perspective.
4. The people most harmed would be the casual players.

Oh and pics or it didn't happen:

http://imgur.com/ZZVqvpi
http://imgur.com/xlSJpc3

Don't give me ideas.

...and probably even more so, nine months later.

...and probably even more so, nine months later.

well, if you complain it wont get better.

just reduce the amount of training/active toons you have(if you plex with isk). the worst thing you can do is to buy them with real money now, since thats what CCP wants and they keep releasing more stuff that pushes up the plex price(skins etc.)

show them that rising plex prices are not always good. on the short run it gives CCP more money, but the long run: less players -> less people starting to play eve

if a player stops playing eve because of insane plex prices, his friend might stop as well.

im currently training 11 toons.. gonna drop down to 5(not because i cant afford it.. its because it isnt worth with the current prices for me)

so if you dont want them to keep going up, stop training like 12 toons, reduce it to the minimum - if you're not poor, then go on and everything is fine :)

I don't forsee this high reducing the demand of PLEX: quite the opposite. I expect the DEMAND for PLEX to skyrocket higher than its ever been before. You can get new skins with PLEX; you can get ISK and CCP offers a great deal.

I suspect anyone who temporarilly or even permamently quit due to this would be vastly outweighed by the additional purchases people are now making and have been making in anticipation of skins and plex to isk conversions. I say temporarilly as eve players historically resub when things are good again or different enough for another try. Maybe they'll just be able to afford 10 or 15 dollars a month to sub down the line. The higher PLEX climbs; the more incentive there is to buy PLEX.

Lets be honest god forbid someone quit they would likely return; people statistically return to EVE and anyone posting here is so deep in EVE and cares so much that they are destined to return should they take a break. And when they do they will be able to grab a couple billion isk for a plex.


The second CCP is not selling more plex through PLEX being worth more isk in comparison to any player who cannot sub their account is the second CCP will introduce a plex sale. CCP had how many economists watch over this game in the past? And still pays someone to study the economy.

REST assured their data is better than yours and they know very well what will happen. You don't need to teach CCP economics or subs because they already have people who devoted their lifes work to this and already know the answer. Peoples napkin math and calculations had been run countless times over the years no doubt by staff who were paid to do so; not just encouraged on a whim because it affected them but because that was their job.

They know what the market can bear. They know the exact numbers. So don't spaceship economist theorizing the possibilities on this one.

Surely can be likened to the weatherman but there is a reason why economist is a profession.
They have more access and more data than any player here; they have monitored this phenomena
to varying degrees in the past. You are hung up on the terminology exactly and want to point out that
"they in fact have a much better idea than anyone here" - was the correct phrase. What exactly do you
think you are pointing out that other readers couldn't see for themselves?




Markee Dragon when questioned noted Business has spiked in relation to the plex prices going up. He is
a third party seller of plex and is a great indication that CCP's own numbers are up.

If you wanted a BMW which is priced at $179,120 and is offered at a car lot for $169,000 you might buy it.
If that same BMW is priced one sale at 1 cent; you will buy it.

It can't be that hard to understand how it is possible that plex could sell more units when there have been
sales before. When you become an adult and need to get groceries weekly you will better understand the
noted relationship; because everything is always on sale at the supermarket.

I sort of wonder why CCP doesn't eliminate PLEX, and instead go back to aurum tokens, and add 30 days of gametime to the NES.

Having two currencies, tradeable PLEX and non-tradeable aurum, doesn't make sense to my pea of a brain.

Of course, we will never see how many trusting Patients, are left "sick broken husks." That's the problem with People Pretending to be Doctors, or in this case Economists. There is always someone who falls for a credible sounding imposter.

Ah well, shame to pop someone's illusions but it's for the best.

I also forgot to verify if I could have sold the PLEx to a buyer 2 jumps away from the station they were offered at because,
I have the trade skills to do it.
Most likely though, for PLEx , they would have required to be sold in the Station making the offer to buy itself, and the range set at Station.

Just because I have the skills to sell in Region doesn't mean that it's not possible for those posting and paying for Buy Order offers to make it impossible for me to sell at a distance...

Uploads:
(All 3) http://imgur.com/a/kPCld

http://imgur.com/hyn1YPd
2015.10.04.16.47.26p
Sell Items (1) - Jita IV Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
30 Day Pilot's Licen... 2
1145009000.99
2,290,018,001.98) ISK -0.6%
[Immediate V]
129/129 remaining market orders
Broker's fee (0.0%) 0.00 ISK
Sales tax (0.75%) 17,175,135.01 ISK
2,272,842,866.97 ISK

http://imgur.com/YvXtPJA
2015.10.04.16.47.38p
Sell Items (1) - Jita IV Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
30 Day Pilot's Licen... 1
1,145,004,000.00 ISK -0.6%
[Immediate V]
129/129 remaining market orders
Broker's fee (0.0%) 0.00 ISK
Sales tax (0.75%) 8,587,530.00 ISK
1,136,416,470.00 ISK

http://imgur.com/PjQdiS1
2015.10.04.16.47.47p
Wallet
Balance 9,488,411,315 ISK


I got a 2.4 GHz + something Dual Core system with 1.85 GB usable RAM of 2.00 GB Ram.
Also, it is apparently compatible with Battlestar Galactica Online.


Edit:
1.1, - 1.143 sale Rens, - 1.158 Jita
buy:
1.158 x 2
1.129 Jita
1.128, + 1.127 , + 1.125

Edit 2:
I have to go to a library to cancel a book holding which I don't need since I found the version I needed on Amazon for around $20.
However, if I don't go there (20 km away) , I will have to pay a $1 fine for not picking up the hold.

I doubt it. My guess they realized that dropping the PLEX price by a couple of bucks means they sell more and their costs are pretty much unaffected...so sales are good.

Plex prices are going to tank for a little bit

https://i.imgur.com/gAVTe31.png

These orders went up a few hours before patch. I checked a few of them and they all belonged to Probag Bear. See his post in MD. Pre patch speculation etc.

Originally the orders were placed to push the price up. Very few people bothered to out bid him for several hours before patch release . He pushed the price up about 15m. No one else really bidding. A few minutes after the patch was release and eve went back on line he caved and dropped the orders to 950m. As you can see he has since decreased the orders to 849m.

Its not CCP. They want the price to drop as do I. Enjoy the cheap plex while it lasts